• http://www.facebook.com/roland.denzel Roland Denzel

    Hi, Lou!

    No one in my natural family was or is the overweight, but I was chubby and/or fat all my life, despite living with my mother who was extremely careful with diet as a type 1 diabetic.

    I’m sure genes make us more or less susceptible, but diet and activity habits still trump genetics. The trick is that conventional dietary habits aren’t the key to staying healthy or fit. Everything in moderation might work for people with those genetics, but other people likely need to be more than moderate in their moderation.

    Roland

  • Jonathan Goodman

    Genetics plays a large part. From my research which isn’t as extensive as Anoops (that guys super smart) it seems as if the number of fat cells in the body is determined by genetics. This can put the person at a huge disadvantage as only the size of the fat cell can increase or decrease. Meaning that a fat person turned skinny won’t lose their fat cells.

    Another point you’re both missing is from a sociological perspective. Overweight parents generally have bad lifestyle habits which are inherited by their kids. We’re all privy to the “our parents word is the truth” belief.

    It’s a lot harder as a child or adolescent to eat vegetables at every meal and avoid starchy carbs at night when their parents are always eating these things and cooking with it. When that kid is an adult the habits are ingrained.

    • Anoop

      Hi Jon,

      Thanks Jon.

      I agree. When they do fat removal surgery which is supposed to take the fat cells “out”, the body fat gain fat in other areas. Another classic example of how body maintains a tight control over your weight.

      About the parental influence: That why they look at adoption studies and identical twins reared apart. But the kids weight resembles more of the biological parent than the adopted parents. The same goes for identical twins. Even the picture in my article of how non-identical twins in the same family looks so different is a good example of how bodyweight varies within the same environment or family.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davetropeano Dave Tropeano

    Since I am not a medical researcher or doctor it no doubt takes more than 1 page and a PowerPoint graphic to understand the dual intervention point model. But I still felt that the focus on the intervention points being static floors and ceilings over time is not correct – it’s not the way any mechanical/biological system works.

    (and it seems to presuppose a genetic determinism model)

    To me it makes more systems engineering sense to say that at a given point in time the body has a range of metabolic capability that is used to maintain weight again within a range. This changes over time because of external and internal factors.

    So the body has an ability to process a range of energy input toward the goal of a range of desired bodyweight. But it is more than possible to change – for better or worse – the body’s processing ability. And this would have a cascading effect on bodyweight ranges.

  • Anoop Balachandran

    Thanks Lou for the post!

    I have read that article by Speakman. For me that article just shows what I am trying to say here. The Dual intervention model is basically a set point model with a greater leeway for environmental pressures. Everyone has a set bodyweight range. In people who are obese, they gain a lot more weight than lean people within the SAME environmental pressures. And why do they gain different weight in the same environment? Genes.

    The major argument against set point theory is the obesity epidemic as written in the article. But is there an obesity epidemic in the first place? Sure the obesity prevalence percentages increases shows there is an epidemic. But if you look at the average weight gain, we only see modest weight gains. I see the people who are heavier side of the BMI curve largely also influencing the average weight gain.

    And first learned about this from Friedman in 2003. He even writes that how Flegal – the author of all obesity prevalence papers – says the same about how these huge changes in percentages are in fact just modest weight gains.

    • Tracey Fox

      How interesting! I have struggled with weight all my life. I have gone from a size 16/18 to a size 10/12 without ever going below 65kilos. It is as if my body simply will not release any more weight. Also, I recently lost 5kilos over 4 months or so, without losing any fat percentage whatsoever! Again, it just will not go! At size 10/12 I am still 35% fat, and have only ever been 40% fat at my heaviest at 85 kilos. It feels mad!

      • Anoop

        Thanks Tracey!

        And that is the problem with looking at a few anecdotes of weight loss success and extrapolating to everyone. Nobody wants to hear about the grandiose tales of failure. The negative hits never get counted or talked about. People only hear about the tales of success. In medicine they say, “dead men never tell any tales” . And this is the major problem with anecdotes. In research, they count the negative hits too.

        And then everyone thinks how come she is not able to lose weight?? Must be a problem with her lack of willpower/ discipline.

  • http://www.maxbodyworkout.com/p90x/p90x-workout-system.html Ravi

    Pure genetics? are you kidding me? Dangerous stuff for an author to promote…justifying the obesity epidemic in fat children by saying “don’t worry kids you’re only fat because your parents are and there’s nothing you can do about it!”

    • http://www.louschuler.com Lou Schuler

      That’s not what I said. It’s not even close to what I said.

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  • http://twitter.com/CatherinePiot Catherine Piot

    I really like this article Lou. Whilst choice and diet are the ultimate deciding factor in a person’s weight there is definitely an argument for genetic determination. But I am still a strong believer in a wholesome, healthy diet and regular exercise – a simple but effective mantra to follow!

  • http://blog.mineralifeonline.com/wordpress/ Neil Butterfield

    Great post. Even if genetics is a factor, you can still do something about it. Eat less!

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  • http://www.fitnessexchange.com/ Mel

    I think genetics has a great deal in your weight. But it’s also a choice. I’m definitely genetically overweight but i try to eat healthy and i exercise a lot. I just built a home gym with a treadmill, elliptical and lots of weights because i know it will be a life time challenge to stay thin.

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